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@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Ukranian before it was known as Ukranian

@Zassthelurker @nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 If one language got influence from Tatar, it would be Ukrainian. iirc there's quite a lot of Turkic words in Ukrainian because of that. The only things Russians took from Tatars was their heads.

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 When they did, the Kyivan Rus was already a far long gone dream and easy Slavs were separated under many many petty kingdoms.

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 The hell is proto ukrainian boy 💀

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 The separation happened when the PLC colonized Ukraine

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 We can't verify that. The only census conducted in Imperial Russia was in 1897

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 No, the separation happened when Muscovy got conquered by the mongols while Ukraine was let to the Cumans

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Influence from the Malorossiya governorates, Proto-Ukranian speakers moving to the Kuban and settling it.

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Too recent, I think it peaked in the early 1800's because they deported Ukrainians there, then they deported them back later

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Same with Ukraine, it would be part of Russia proper if not for Polish domination

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 How do you explain that my language (Balatchka) is almost identical to Ukrainian while (correct me if I'm wrong) poles have never occupied Don or Kuban

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Ruthenia/Ruthenians is the English name for Rus/Rusyns (not the modern Rusyns)
Belarus is named like this because it's just a part of Russia that was under Lithuanian domination, if it wasn't then it would be part of Russia proper

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Cossacks aren't the only influence for the Ukranian language. Polonization did 100% happen. This isn't even denied by Ukranian linguists.

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 That is not a majority pic.twitter.com/gQ9AC865Ax

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 It didn't get polonized. Yes Ukraine was part of the PLC but the entire reason why the cossacks weren't crushed is that they were so far away from anyone else that nobody wanted to bother with them, and they served as protection from Tatars. There were entire weeks of travel

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Then why is Belarus named similarly? Aka Belarus = White Russia. Also the idea or Ruthenia isn't present in East Slavic languages. It's all "Русь".

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 No it didn't lmao, Ukrainian speakers were even majority in the Russian far east before they got deported when they tried to declare independence

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 That's not true. The Russian nobility spoke French but the Russian populace has spoken the same language. There were only some reforms done under Peter. Ukranian on the other hand - or Ruthenian, essentially stopped being spoken around the late 17th century and replaced...

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Russian used to have so many french words that french speaker could understand sentences without even understanding the structure

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 I HIGHLY doubt that since it would be much more notable than it is.

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 Yeah, which is originally a mistranslation of the Greek term for Ruthenians

@nitrrogen__ @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 No they were bigger. Ukrainian stayed mostly the same but Russian was brought back to an earlier state through language reforms, only without the obsolete letters

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 It means little Russian though, малая Россия

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 I'll have to double check with a linguist or something

@Zassthelurker @nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 It was the Greek name for it, it meant "closer Russian" because they were closer to Constantinople than the muscovites but Russians turned it into a demeaning term

@DonKozack @Zassthelurker @chud14_3 I reckon the linguistic differences between Ukranian and Russian were smaller than they are now thougj

@Zassthelurker @nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 Ukrainian was also much more widespread than just Ukraine (which is why I speak it) and it's kind of impressive that there were half as many Ukrainian speakers than Russian speakers

@Zassthelurker @DonKozack @chud14_3 Where did you find this

@nitrrogen__ @DonKozack @chud14_3 The dialects were distinct enough to be listed on the Russian imperial census. From what I can tell they were listed as languages, although in fairness the formatting was a little weird.

@DonKozack @chud14_3 I don't think that's possible nowadays because of American and EU interference.

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 There is no need for a war. Ukrainians before were willingly incorporated in the Russian empire because they had everything to win from it.

@DonKozack @chud14_3 Well I agree, but I think that winning the war now and changing the government later is better than losing the war

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 I think Ukraine should be part of Russia as well, only I don't want it to be under Putin's negrophilic government.

@DonKozack @chud14_3 It justifies the invasion. I don't agree with civillian casualties but I still think it should've happened and should've happened earlier

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 Which still doesn't justify the bloodshed

@DonKozack @chud14_3 Ukraine is a proxy of the USA?

@DonKozack @chud14_3 It's closer to Polish because of the Polish lithuanian commonwealth and Polonization. Same with how Belarussian is closer to Lithuanian due to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 Yeah? I don't support the USA you're a fucking retard

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 No the reason is because it was spoken by peasants and cossacks who were all day in their fort far far away from any other civilisation and didn't get influenced by language reforms or other languages. It's closer to polish because polish is a Slavic language too, simply

@DonKozack @chud14_3 Ukranian IS a Russo-Polish hybrid, and the only reason it's marginally closer to old slavic is only because it wasn't reformed by the Soviets

@DonKozack @chud14_3 Ukranian comes from a Russo-Polish hybrid

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 Ukrainian comes from old Russian and is significantly closer to it than actual Russian, which was heavily influenced by French due to it being the royal European language
I don't see why it matters that it wasn't classified as a language until 90 years ago

@DonKozack @chud14_3 Rhetoric is completely irrelevant. The USA stands for Marxism and negrophiliam. The Ukraine is a bolshevik created country.

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 The one tearing down communist statues in symbol? And the bazzzed decommunizers are the ones tearing down holodomor statues and claiming "denazification"?

@DonKozack @chud14_3 Ukranian wasn't a language in the 11th century dude, it was a dialect until it was formalized in the 20th century

@DonKozack @chud14_3 The communist regime like the one in Ukraine that supports NATO Marxism

@nitrrogen__ @chud14_3 It wasn't the borderland? Kyiv was still the capital. And it means borderland in Serbian and Russian, but in old Russian/Ukrainian it means "our land", however if it stopped at that then calling them "Ukrainians" would make no sense.

@DonKozack @chud14_3 Okraina just means borderland lmao